Socialist answers to climate change
Twenty years have been wasted since the first Rio
earth summit and the second, which ended in failure on 22 June. The
capitalist powers and their profit-driven system are incapable of
tackling the urgent issue of global warming. Socialism Today interviews
PETE DICKENSON whose new book, Planning for the Planet, puts forward a
positive, socialist alternative to deal with environmental destruction.
Your starting point is that the
climate has already been adversely affected by increased carbon
emissions. Some people argue, therefore, that the emphasis should be on
adapting to the effects of climate change. How would you respond to
that?
It is true that the eco-system has,
in some ways, been damaged irreversibly by climate change. The main
climate research body, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC),
has recognised this. This is an indictment of the present capitalist
market system that has totally failed to take effective action in the 20
years since the first Rio earth summit highlighted the problem, due to
the imperialist rivalry between the main industrial powers. However, if
action is taken immediately to cut greenhouse gas emissions the worst
effects can be avoided, according to the IPCC, and so adaptation should
not be the priority.
Because of the neglect of our
present rulers, adaptation will have to be carried out alongside efforts
to mitigate climate change. If this is attempted on a capitalist basis,
the industrialised states may possibly have the resources to contain the
worst effects of climate change, but the peoples of the poorest
countries, many of whom live on river deltas susceptible to flooding,
will be devastated, after being left to fend for themselves. The
strongest proposers of adaptation over mitigation are often those linked
to Big Oil and climate change deniers who promote adaptation to
highlight the supposed futility of efforts to reverse global warming.
People in wealthier countries can buy
food and commodities from all over the world. Should we restrict
ourselves to locally sourced produce? How viable is ‘the power of small
actions’, such as growing vegetables on roundabouts to provide food
locally?
There was the notorious case where
flowers grown in Israel were flown to a main central market in the
Netherlands and then some of them flown back again to Israel to be sold.
Since air transport is a major culprit in causing global warming this
sort of practice causes huge damage to the environment. It could be
largely avoided in any rational system not subject to this market
madness. Many poor countries now partly rely on flying cash crops to
Europe and North America to support their economies, but it is no model
for development in which large amounts of food are being exported from
countries where people are going hungry.
In the west, due to agricultural
subsidies, huge areas of fertile land are not being used. The UN Food
and Agriculture Organisation has calculated that there is the capacity
to grow almost twice the food needed to feed the world’s population. In
these circumstances, there is no need to cultivate vegetables on
roundabouts. What is needed is to plan food production to minimise or
eliminate air freighting and to produce as much as possible locally
while maintaining sufficient consumer choice. This could be achieved
through the operation of democratically run bodies of consumers and
producers, after the distortions of the market system have been removed.
What about carbon taxes on air travel,
fuel, overseas products, etc? Proponents say that they empower the
consumer. Is that a fair option?
Carbon taxes are proposed as the
main instrument to tackle environmental problems by nearly all green
groups and activists. There are two major problems with carbon taxes,
though. Firstly, in our highly monopolised market system, they would be
largely ineffective. Consumers, far from being empowered, simply do not
have the option of choosing a green energy supplier, for example,
because there are very few of them around. This would not change
significantly regardless of how much tax was put on coal, gas or oil.
Proponents may argue that, if the
cost of fossil fuels was sufficiently high, then in the long term there
would be an incentive for suppliers to switch to green energy. Even if
this was true, which is highly doubtful, it would take decades for the
change-over to take place. Decisive action needs to be taken now to have
a chance of tackling global warming.
A second reason to oppose carbon
taxes is that they are unfair. The poor spend a higher proportion of
their income on fuel for heating, cooking, etc, and would be hit hardest
by any carbon tax, particularly one which was sufficiently high to have
any chance of being effective. A better approach would be to introduce a
subsidy to encourage green behaviour. For example, in the 1980s the then
left-led Greater London Council slashed fares on public transport. This
led to a huge increase in the use of environmentally friendly public
transport and helped the poor at the same time.
What would you say to those who argue
that the biggest threat comes from the economic growth and large
populations of countries such as China and India, as more people adopt
western lifestyles (increased meat in diets, mass car ownership, etc)?
Capitalist, profit-driven growth
will inevitably be unsustainable and degrade the environment. We are
seeing this in China which now has the world’s biggest environmental
footprint. It is not inevitable, though, that growth is unsustainable:
the technology exists to generate clean energy and to produce carbon
neutral motor vehicles, for example. Switching over will never happen on
a sufficient scale to make a difference while profit is the driving
force. This is a key theme of the book. Only when a democratically
managed economic system is brought in, will it be possible to achieve
economic growth in places like China and India without polluting the
planet.
Many greens blame ‘too many people’
for environmental problems, but this is missing the point. There could
be a theoretical limit to the population the earth can support, but we
have not reached it yet. If the basic requirements for a decent life are
provided, such as food, shelter, healthcare and education, then the
pressures for population increases will subside and the population of
the globe will stabilise. The growth needed to get to this point can be
done sustainably, but only outside the framework of capitalism.
In your book, you call for the
expansion of rail networks to minimise air travel. So, should socialists
support the proposed high-speed rail link from London to Birmingham?
Air travel does cause particular
harm to the environment and its polluting effects need to be urgently
addressed. A key way of doing this will be to introduce alternatives,
such as a network of high-speed trains in highly urbanised areas such as
western Europe which could then replace most short- and medium-haul air
travel. In general, this means supporting the development of high-speed
train networks. However, particular schemes, such as the proposed London
to Birmingham link, must be judged individually.
A key factor in doing this must be
the environmental impact of the scheme, which has been given
insufficient importance in this case. For instance, if the line stops at
Birmingham the environmental gain will be minimal at best, if not
negative. It needs to extend to Scotland to potentially deliver
significant green gains. There are no concrete plans to do this in the
foreseeable future. Also, the rights of the population of the areas
affected have to be respected, which has not been done sufficiently in
the proposed scheme. Maximising profits should not be allowed to
negatively impact on people’s lives when, for instance, building a
tunnel could eliminate the need to demolish homes.
When faced with the problem of how to
move away from fossil fuels, a common response is that nuclear power is
an available, effective alternative: it does not produce greenhouse
gases, and can produce massive quantities of energy. What’s not to like?
George Monbiot made a big mistake
when he started to back nuclear power as a lesser evil. There are two
main problems with nuclear: the probability of recurring disasters such
as at Fukushima and Chernobyl, and the unresolved issue of how to safely
store nuclear waste for 100,000 years. The nuclear experts tell us that
the statistical chances of an accident occurring like Fukushima are
vanishingly small. However, in less than 60 years of nuclear power
generation there have been four major incidents: at Windscale (now
Sellafield), Three Mile Island in the US, Chernobyl in the former Soviet
Union, and Fukushima. These have been caused by a combination of human
error and technical failure and there is no reason to think others will
not happen in the future.
Safely storing nuclear waste is an
even greater problem than accidents linked to nuclear power generation.
No way has yet been found to store highly toxic radioactive waste safely
for the tens of thousands of years that will be necessary. It is true
that significant quantities of nuclear material already exist and will
have to be dealt with, but it would be irresponsible to add to this
problem by expanding nuclear power.
The title of your book, Planning for
the Planet, is also its conclusion. But the nationalised planned economy
in the former Soviet Union presided over massive environmental
destruction. How would you answer those who say planning on such a huge
scale inevitably leads to such catastrophic consequences?
There was not a genuine socialist
planned economy in the former Soviet Union. The Russian revolution was,
for a number of reasons, isolated in an economically backward country.
Workers’ democracy was replaced by dictatorial rule under Stalin, based
on the growth of a privileged bureaucracy whose main aim was to preserve
its power and privileges. Under those conditions, as I explain in the
book, efficient, democratic planning was impossible. In spite of its
achievements in laying the foundations of a modern economy, Stalinist
planning became more and more distorted and dysfunctional – and harmful
to the environment.
So, how could a democratic socialist
system plan and use technology, the productive forces and natural
resources in a positive, sustainable way?
The book makes the case that only a
democratically managed, planned economy can effectively address
environmental problems. This, I hope, is a powerful argument for
socialist change and will convince green activists of the urgent need
for a socialist approach. The book goes into some detail on how planning
mechanisms will operate in order to present as persuasive a case as
possible. This is not an attempt to write a cookbook for the future,
since the detail of what a socialist society will look like will largely
be determined in the course of the struggle to change society. However,
after the events of the last 20 or 30 years, many young people in
particular are unaware of socialist ideas and so it is necessary to make
clear in general terms how a future society could operate. The book
explains this in a lot more detail.